UTM (Home) EOL and moving over to Sophos Firewall... options?

Notes on installing Firewall... thinking I had not done it right etc x 5 - (rufus usb iso)

SW-19.5.1 ISO boots to display the following after an install
"   Booting '19_5_1_278'
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"
Yep thats it....

So in actual fact you need to connect to an AP (so wireless router with DHCP disabled,  plugged into one of the LAN ports) to access the box.
Figuring out what ports on the firewall are LAN/WAN is you next step...

The firewall interface is a "shotgun splatter" of activity and config.

It seems to be doing a great job as a "firewall" but setting up user profiles and devices? WTF?

vicegod said:

The firewall interface is a "shotgun splatter" of activity and config.

So true!

Any updates? How is the migration going for you? I'm still leaning towards migrating to one of the *sense's. I've been "playing" with several FW's and XG is just not a top pick for me. I'm hoping ease of use and feature parity with the UTM gets better by 2026. Fingers crossed.

The OPNsense/Zenarmor combo has been at the top of my list as a Sophos UTM replacement but the $10 a month plan has a 100 device limit and only allows for 3 profiles plus I DESPISE cloud web admin panels. I have several web apps and the profile limitation makes me hesitant. Lately, I've been leaning more towards holding off and waiting to see what the Sophos Firewall will look like when we get closer to the UTM's EOL.

I switched over to the XG a few months ago after tying it out a couple times. What irks me the most (and this is even before it's installed!) is how Sophos firewall uses 172.16.16.16 as the default gateway automatically without even allowing you to specify until afterwords. There are a lot of things that are just bad decision making, I could give you a list of about 30 things about it that keep me awake at night, lol.

But, I was really, really close to going with an Ubiquity Dream Machine Pro, but, at the time they had no OpenVPN support built-into the software. the big advantage though is that the software itself is free for life after you buy the hardware. ($379 for the Dream Machine Pro is not really that bad).

I hear a lot of mention about pfSense, OPNsense, Untangle, and I wonder why Ubiquity wouldn't be a good alternative to Sophos UTM especially for home users.

Hi, saw your post littel late,

but i cant find any demo for the Ubiquity Dream Machine Pro. I would buy it, the price is realy ok, but not without a closer look to the software.

Anyone got a tip where i can look at the software ?

thanks

I would assume the software is tied to Ubiquity firewalls. But there are tons of product reviews for it on youtube. You could watch  them and see what the software looks like before you buy one. 

Well, watched some Vids on Youtube... don't think thats what  i want.

With *sense, untangle, etc. You provide your own hardware, upgrade as neeed.  Untangle does have an annual fee associated.  *sense does not (for home user).

I've decided to go with pfsense+. It may not have all the features of web scanning that xg does but offers far more config granularity. There are some things about it that irk me, such as the lack of integration between modules.  IE, in utm you define an object once and can use it anywhere appropriate. Such is not the case with *sense.

Re pf vs opnsense, feature wise are very similar, but ui is quite different. Can't wrap my head around opnsense's ui layout. Reminds me of the old tomato firmware for wrt* series.

As for ubiquity, if one already has hardware, why reinvent the wheel by buying more hardware.

Jay Jay said:

Can't wrap my head around opnsense's ui layout.

I tried OPNsense awhile ago. I was not fond of the UI either, and the default allow firewall rules that allows everything outbound by default is really dumb. I never tried pfSense yet, but since Zenarmor removed support for it, I can't see it making a good next-gen firewall unless you maybe installed Zenarmor on a Linux distro in Layer 2 bridge mode "with filtering" in a separate VM or on a separate device with 2 or more NICs, which sounds interesting.

EDIT: so it seems that free Zenarmor can still be installed in pfSense manually, you just need to create the Zenconsole Cloud Portal. Is it worth it?

The question is, is this protection really needed for a home user.

According to docs.opnsense.org/.../zenarmor.html,  the features it provides include;

At present, I don't have https inspection enabled in utm as that tend to break a number of sites. Depending on one's household, #1 might be useful, not here. A lot of things can be blocked by using pfblockerNG. Of course, all devices also have some form of security locally (AV/firewall, etc).

In this link, https://www.zenarmor.com/docs/installing/installation

They talk about zenarmor working with the CE (community edition) of pfsense but not pfsense+ (their commercial product).

I host a lot of stuff going back to the days when "next gen" firewall weren't the buzz words that they are today. I've always used the UTM's WAF. It successfully filters a lot of bad traffic and it has its share of false positives so the rules need to be monitored and appropriate exceptions need to be added.

One thing that I've never gotten a clear answer on is... Since the UTM's WAF terminates SSL, doesn't  that mean that the UTM is scanning SSL ingress traffic? Does anyone know the definitive answer to this? This question is what's holding me back from giving *sense a deep dive and waiting to see what XG looks like just before the UTM EOL hits. I'm not very concerned about scanning SSL egress traffic (should I be?) because I trust the local users but I am concerned about what's trying to get into my open ports.

I think most security experts argue that a "next gen" firewall with SSL inspection is a must if you host websites and web apps but is it really?

Free is best but I would pay $120 a year for Zenarmor if it were not for the 3 filtering policy limit and the 100 device limit. I could live with the 100 device limit but having only three filtering policies sucks if you host more than three services.

So for us hobbyists that host email, websites and web apps, who can tell us if *sense with HAProxy provides enough protection without Zenarmor?

It's a real pitty.

I have found nothing so far, that could replace the UTM 9 and the clock is ticking.

It's a real pitty.

I have found nothing so far, that could replace the UTM 9 and the clock is ticking.

WolfgangS said:

I have found nothing so far, that could replace the UTM 9 and the clock is ticking.

Just wondering, is there a specific feature you need besides an easy-to-use UI that the UTM has? Does the XG simply not have the feature you need.... serious question.

 How difficult Sophos makes it to do simple things can make a person livid. The new version 20 coming out barely address the quality of life issues that are turning people away from the product.

 Things like

difficulty of creating static IP and MAC hosts,

lack of a searchable list of  host names  and IP addresses available to use in the web filtering exception Source list, 

truncating words with ellipsis "..."  in the UI so the user can't even fully read it. 

Version 20 is about cramming in more features without fixing the UI flaws first.

So i was looking at your list: 

difficulty of creating static IP and MAC hosts --> Something which is on the backlog to improve but bigger customers do not use it for two reasons: Either they have a DHCP Server and use DHCP Relay or they use only the User Mapping for Firewall rules (So you use SFOS + User Auth and your firewall rules are LAN - GroupA to WAN and not the DHCP Static User like in UTM). But this request is interesting for smaller customers, who do not have authentication enabled or do not use an external DHCP server. 

lack of a searchable list of  host names  and IP addresses available to use in the web filtering exception Source list --> You are talking about the Web Filtering Exceptions? So just curious, you are looking at the Web Filter Exception - Why not using DPI Engine instead? Which makes most of the Web Filter Exceptions obsolete in itself. 

truncating words with ellipsis "..."  in the UI so the user can't even fully read it. --> Looking at the V20.0 changes with the FullHD resolution, you should have more space and most tables in UI shows the full context. There are still some things, which are being looked at to get more context in it, but most tables show the full values. 
Showing the full context of some objects is still to do, but there were progress on that front. 

So TLDR: Are those the points, UTM to SFOS is not "suitable" for Home Users?  

LuCar Toni said:

So TLDR: Are those the points, UTM to SFOS is not "suitable" for Home Users?

It is as suitable for home users as the UTM is, which why I have been recommending it, but the majority of complaints coming from UTM users are mostly about the UI. Compared to OPNsense which I used briefly, SFOS is more "user friendly", but not as user friendly as the UTM was.

Well, 

we are 6 People  2 Parents, 4 Kids, so:

i got 2 lines

one german DSL Line

i have one fibre line 1gbit

i got an intel i350-t4 network controller 

on DSL i have all my hobby webservers , mailservers and stuff for my family with my own /28 network ip's.

on the fibre line i have all the  stuff like Netflix and so on.

i got 3 sophos 120 APs for each basement in our house.

i am using NAT with additional addresses on interface,

i am using masquerading, Firwall (of course)

VOIP, Intrusion Prevention, Web Protection for the Kids, SMTP Proxy  and Wireless Protection

i would say i am not the "typical" homeuser and because of that, there is not much out there that "fits my needs", beside the UTM right now !

Sry to bring my thread up again.

asking myself:

Will Sophos still hold on to it's decision to drop the UTM 9 ??

Rumors tell it's like VMware, the customers running away to other vendors.

So maybe there is some pressure to think about that decision, like Broadcom has to do with the vmware license model at the moment.

They getting the heat right now.

From my point of view it is a different situation. 
Vmware is ending the Free version (completely). Sophos is not ending the Free / Home version, as SFOS still offers full support of Home. 

As far as I'm aware the "new" Sophos Firewall is the only option. Sounds like you are like me and many others, hanging on by our fingernails hoping some wisdom will arrive in the Sophos Pruduct managers/Exec team to keep UTM alive.

Kinda...

I am with Opensense right now. But it's a BIG mess in comparison to the UTM.

Logic Fails with interfaces , too complicated in areas. and so on.

so many ways to solve things are just not logical there or split up in to many areas.

so i hope after the Sophos UTM 9 is "dead" that there is some sort of "fork" .

but i guess i'll take the pain right now, because i dont wanna end up with another company like Sohpos anymore

and stay with open source.

but it is indeed pain in the a......

 WolfgangS 

I see from one of your previous posts that you use intrusion prevention. With the UTM, you can terminate SSL with the WAF and IPS can then scan the unencrypted traffic. I can verify that it works really well for ingress traffic and it doesn't require installing a cert on the client computers. However, from what I've read, you cannot do this with *sense because the only IP you will be able to block is the IP of the firewall, itself. Do you know if what I said about IPS and *sense is still true? This is the main reason why I haven't bailed on Sophos, yet.

Hi Jeff, 

i am sorry,  but i have not reached the point of IPS testing.

Still battle with VPNs, interfaces, rules, NAT and so on.

after that is done, i am going over to IPS, Mail proxy and stuff.