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BAlfson

DNS Best Practice

You might have seen the model we use as I've described it in many places here:

  1. The 'Global' tab of 'Network Services >> DNS' lists "Internal (Network)" (also other internal networks, like "DMZ (Network)" and any "VPN Pool" if applicable) as 'Allowed networks'.
  2. On the 'Forwarders' tab, if you use or plan to use the SMTP Proxy, use an Availability Group containing the OpenDNS or Google (8.8.4.4 first, for speed) name servers in 'DNS Forwarders' (if using any spamhaus.org RBLs with the SMTP Proxy, don't use Google DNS). 'Use forwarders assigned by ISP' is not checked.*
    1. If the SMTP Proxy is not to be a part of your setup, don't add anything in 'DNS Forwarders' and do select 'Use forwarders assigned by ISP'.  See the Change Log below concerning CDNs.
    2. Alternatively, if you're using a Microsoft CDN like Office365, do use the Availability Group approach above and add a Request Route for office365.com pointing at your ISP's name server.
  3. In 'Request Routing', the internal DNS is used for reverse DNS of internal IPs (for example if your internal subnet is 172.16.20.0/24, you would have "20.16.172.in-addr.arpa" in the 'Domain' field and your internal DNS server(s) in 'Target Servers'. With that, the UTM can list machine names instead of internal IP addresses in the reports.
  4. Also, in 'Request Routing', so the UTM can resolve internal FQDNs, add, for example 'yourdomain.loc -> {internal DNS server}'. Do the same for other domains for which you have Forward Lookup Zones in your internal DNS server.
  5. Configure Windows Server (or other) DHCP server for internal devices to point at your internal name server for DNS, then the UTM, then the OpenDNS or Google servers.
  6. The internal DNS server's first forwarder is to the UTM's DNS Proxy, then to the OpenDNS or Google servers.
  7. If you consistently have "connection to server timed out" issues and ECN is not selected ('Advanced' tab of 'QoS'), empty 'Allowed networks' in #1, configure the internal DNS server to bypass the UTM in #6. I suspect this is caused by a problem at the ISP.
  8. In Transparent mode Web Filtering, the client browser resolves FQDNs.  When Pharming Protection is enabled at the bottom of the 'Misc' tab, the Proxy will block a request with "Host Not Found" if it cannot resolve the FQDN to an IP.  If disabling Pharming Protection eliminates such blocks for you, then you have not followed #1 through #7.

We used to do it the other way, but comments by BarryG, BruceKConvergent and others convinced me to change our approach.

Cheers - Bob
* Caution: unchecking 'Use forwarders assigned by ISP' and failing to populate 'DNS Forwarders' will result in degraded performance as the ASG/UTM will fall back to the Root Name Servers.

Change Log: 2020-02-14 Based on a post by wolfman1, I added a warning in 2. about using Google if spamhaus.org is one of the RBLs used in the SMTP Proxy; 2017-11-13 Added 2.a and 2.b based on further info in Alex Busch's thread; 2017-11-12 Added the caveat to #2 about the SMTP Proxy because of Alex Busch's comments about Content Delivery Networks (CDNs); 2017-08-02 added #8 based on a comment by Sophos' Michael Dunn; 2017-06-09 added "VPN Pool" to #1; 2017-04-08 made #3 clearer based on a question by jlbrown also added "or Google" to #5 & #6; 2017-02-12 added 8.8.4.4 comment to #2 based on a comment here by rfcat_vk; 2017-01-14 added "in the 'Domain' field" in #3; 2015-09-25 In #7 corrected #5 to #6; 2015-09-24 changed Astaro to UTM and added #7 based on comments by vilic in DNS issue?; 2015-06-22 based on a thread by TCF, I improved the wording in #1, #2 & #4; 2015-06-20 changed from .local to .loc as reminded by bimmerdriver; 2015-03-20 Added title; 2014-10-04 DHCP and internal FQDNs; 2013-10-09 Added Availability Group idea from adrienjb in #2; 2013-02-04 reordered; 2012-08-20 Added "* Caution" note for #2 based on a suggestion by BarryG



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[edited by: FloSupport at 11:06 AM (GMT -7) on 18 Sep 2020]
  • in reply to BAlfson

    BAlfson said:

    That's what I thought, Arno, but my research confirms Alex' description.  I wonder if your experience is just a reflection of the improvement in the throughput over the backbone of the Internet or if some CDNs do redirects based on geoip as we assumed.

    Your experience with Netflix is also very interesting.  Could you expand on that a bit?  Maybe including samples from your Web Filtering log when using your ISP's DNS instead of OpenDNS/Google?

    Cheers - Bob

     

    On Netflix, there's no difference on using my providers' DNS address or the OpenDNS or Google's DNS settings. If i'm in the Netherlands, I get Dutch Netflix (and subtitles). Last week I was in France and got the French subtitles (still using OpenDNS). Unless I VPN to my own UTM, then I get the Dutch subtitles again.

    For Office365 our services are hosted in European datacentre (due to not affected by the Patriot act). So maybe that also influences where DNS requests go...

    If there's any other CDN that I could test latency to, I will happily make some tests using different DNS servers for lookup.

    Managing several Sophos firewalls both at work and at some home locations, dedicated to continuously improve IT-security and feeling well helping others with their IT-security challenges.

  • in reply to apijnappels

    apijnappels said:

     On Netflix, there's no difference on using my providers' DNS address or the OpenDNS or Google's DNS settings. If i'm in the Netherlands, I get Dutch Netflix (and subtitles). Last week I was in France and got the French subtitles (still using OpenDNS). Unless I VPN to my own UTM, then I get the Dutch subtitles again.

    For Office365 our services are hosted in European datacentre (due to not affected by the Patriot act). So maybe that also influences where DNS requests go...

    If there's any other CDN that I could test latency to, I will happily make some tests using different DNS servers for lookup.

     
    Hi Guys,
     
    just to add a bit of complexity to that. There is a thing called EDNS Client Subnet. See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7871 . With that it would be possible for the cloud provider to get information of the IP or network originating the DNS query. So the geolocaiton problem should not affect user which are using public DNS Servers like Google.
    And after a little research, a lot of cloud providers and CDNs support EDNS - to specifically address this issue, see this. Except Microsoft! It is disappointing that Microsoft hasn't added support for EDNS in its geolocation mechanism used by Office 365.
    So at the moment I think the big problem is only with Office365.
     
    Best 
    Alex

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  • in reply to Alexander Busch

    Thanks, Alex and Arno - I've changed #2 in DNS best practice again.  I welcome your critiques.

    Cheers - Bob

     
    Sophos UTM Community Moderator
    Sophos Certified Architect - UTM
    Sophos Certified Engineer - XG
    Gold Solution Partner since 2005
    MediaSoft, Inc. USA

  • I wrote about this about5 -10 years back.

    Geolocation has changed a bit since then.

    Request routes, DNS Hosts and DNS Groups can help.

    Don't forget Availability Groups are your friends here.

    You can also make two separate AV Groups one for IPv4 and one for IPv6.

    DNS

    by me as a basic breakdown (insert terms as required)

    Depending on size of network (How many DNS Servers you have and where you locate them (out of scope of doc)).

    Primary DNS Server enabled as caching. Forwards all requests to Sophos DNS Proxy. (No DNS root lookups).

    All clients point first to Primary DNS Server, (Second to Secondary Internal DNS Server if fitted), Second to Sophos Proxy if you want clients to access Internet when Primary DNS Down. (There are reasons both for and against).

    Sophos DNS Proxy

    I do a DNS resolve time test to the supplied ISP assigned DNS Servers to see how they perform.

    Ticking 'Use forwarders assigned by ISP.

    I add a Availability Group DNS IPv4 with opensource DNS Servers, using around 4-6 DNS Servers.

    I add a Availability Group DNS IPv6 with opensource DNS Servers, using around 4-6 DNS Servers.

    Hope this helps

    Cheers

    Mark

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    Cheers

    Mark

  • in reply to Mark_D

    “Ticking 'Use forwarders assigned by ISP”

    Dear Mark,

    maybe my English is too bad, but if you tick / mark that checkbox the UTM will use the ISP DNS.
    All your other choices (availability groups and so on) won’t be considered for the DNS lookup. Just for clarification.

    Have a nice day 

    Alex

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