Hi,
Based on the discussion and queries we have observed on various threads, here is the things to know about new decoupled NAT and firewall changes in v18.
Update - This in-depth video has been produced to help explain the new NAT changes in SFOS v18: https://player.vimeo.com/video/376241042
1) What is changed related to NAT in Sophos firewall v18? What is Decoupled NAT? Why we changed?
with v18, Sophos Firewall has moved towards more standardized NAT design in which network translation configuration is now decoupled from firewalling configuration for better manageability in the larger sized deployments.
Starting Sophos firewall v18, NAT is now a separate rule table that will be traversed from top to bottom prioritized rule set for network translation decisions. The configuration offers better flexibility, manageability with less number of NAT & firewall rules. With v18, Sophos Firewall’s enterprise NAT capability is now at par with other competitive players.
The new design offers ease of configuration and management for all NAT capabilities:
Based on what we have been hearing from our customers, v18 now removes confusing business application firewall rule type existing in v17.x and earlier. destination NAT capability of the biz apps rule has been folded into the same NAT rule. Single firewall rule type can now achieve WAF (as a part of action) and other security configurations.
For customers who don't want to manage a separate NAT rule table, Sophos firewall v18 offers a differentiating LinkedNAT functionality - refer LinkedNAT specific FAQs for details.
2) I am running v17.x; will there be any impact/ behavior change on my existing deployment (specific to NAT) if I upgrade to v18?
No. We have implemented the migration in such a way that it will automatically migrate v17.x NAT configuration (integrated into firewall rule) to v18 NAT configurations. You need not to take any manual steps.
When you migrate from v17.x to v18, you would see many LinkedNAT rules already created – many of them could be with similar source NAT translation, for example – many rules with MASQ as source translation. We cannot consolidate/ optimize the same automatically during migration as there could be deployments with firewall rules on v17.x without any NAT configured. You can decide to manually optimize the NAT table by creating single source translation NAT rule that takes care of translating source for multiple firewall rules, for example - single MASQ rule at the bottom of the NAT table. And you can delete multiple LinkedNAT rule created during migration.
3) After upgrading to v18, I see many LinkedNAT rule created on the NAT rule table. Is this normal? Can you not optimize this further in the migration?
We have implemented the migration in such a way that it will automatically migrate v17.x NAT configuration (integrated into firewall rule) to v18 NAT configurations. You need not to take any manual steps.
4) After upgrading to v18, I see a non-editable checkbox on migrated firewall rules that says "Do not apply this migrated rule to system-destined traffic". Why it is there?
This is to retain the rule matching behavior of v17.x even though we have removed Business application rule type.
In SFOS 17.x and earlier, although business application rules and user-network rules were listed in a single rule table, Sophos Firewall evaluated these rule types independently to find matching criteria. For system-destined traffic (example: accessing Sophos Firewall services) and incoming traffic (example: to internal servers) that matches a destination NAT business application rule, it ignored user-network rules and matched the traffic with business application rules.
From v18, Sophos Firewall has removed the distinction between business application and user-network rules. It now offers both as firewall rules. To ensure that the consolidation does not affect the rule-matching behavior of earlier versions, it will continue to ignore migrated user-network rules positioned above migrated business application rules for system-destined traffic and incoming traffic.
This is a read-only checkbox in the firewall rule that tells system to retain rule matching behavior of v17.x even after migrating onto v18.
5) I am creating a firewall rule for DNAT (destination translation) rule. Why should I configure Dst Zone match in firewall rule as (mostly) local zone (LAN/ DMZ). And, why should I configure Dst network match in firewall rule as original Dst IP (WAN IP on Sophos Firewall)?
When you create firewall rule for NAT rule in which destination is translated, you would match Dst zone as the ultimate zone in which the traffic would terminate (that is local zone – DMZ or LAN). However, you would (want to) match against the original destination IP (WAN IP on Sophos Firewall), here’s why:
6) What is LinkedNAT?
With v18, Sophos firewall has moved towards more standardized NAT design in which network translation configuration is now decoupled from firewalling configuration for better manageability in the larger sized deployments.
However, For customers who don't want to manage a separate NAT rule table, Sophos firewall v18 offers a differentiating LinkedNAT feature to grandfather existing customers over to the new design in the long run. The linkedNAT feature is fundamentally designed to provide inline source NAT rule creation from firewall rule. Matching criteria for the LinkedNAT rule is linked with the respective firewall rule, admin only needs to configure or edit the Src translation decision in the LinkedNAT rule.
This means LinkedNAT rule will only be applied to the traffic matching that specific firewall rule. However, if standard NAT rules are placed before the linkedNAT rule that match the traffic, the matching NAT rule would apply. That means, LinkedNAT does NOT guarantee that it will be matched for respective firewall rule traffic (if admin creates standard NAT rule before LinkedNAT). NAT rule table will always be matched from top to bottom priority order. There is no special or reserved priority in execution for LinkedNAT rule.
LinkedNAT rule is only possible for SNAT (source translation) configuration, not for Destination translation (DNAT).
7) Is it mandatory to use LinkedNAT? Where should I use LinkedNAT?
It is not mandatory to use LinkedNAT. With v18, Sophos firewall has moved towards more standardized NAT design in which network translation configuration is now decoupled from firewalling configuration for better manageability.
If you have a small scale deployment (small set of firewall rules) and you don't want to manage a separate NAT rule table, you can create LinkedNAT directly from the firewall rule and ONLY configure Src translation decision while matching criteria are automatically linked with the respective firewall rule.
If you have to differentiate SNAT configuration based on Users or Schedules criteria, LinkedNAT rule becomes mandatory there. However, such configuration need is very rare, we have NOT observed such configuration in practical deployments. Also, LinkedNAT rule is only possible for SNAT (source translation) configuration, not for Destination translation (DNAT).
8) What is the new disabled “Drop ALL” rule at the bottom of the firewall rule table?
The default drop rule provides visual indication to user / admin that if none of the firewall rule gets match, traffic will be dropped.
You reported about two specific challenges that admin faces in v17.x.
Currently, the logs that you see with firewall rule id ‘0’ are NOT for the traffic dropped by Drop ALL rule. In later EAP releases, we would replace them with “N/A” as those are for the traffic dropped before the firewall rule matches – for example – invalid traffic. And actual logs for traffic dropped by Drop ALL default behavior will be available in the release post v18. Meanwhile – as a workaround, one can add a drop rule at the bottom to log the dropped traffic not matched by any other firewall rule.
9) Do I have any demo/ training on how to configure various NAT in the new design?
To help you evaluate Sophos firewall v18 better in this early access program, here is the interactive training/ work through course - video along with the PDF handout and speaker notes. Here is the interactive course to work through Sophos Firewall v18.0:
https://community.sophos.com/products/xg-firewall/sfos-eap/sfos-v18-early-access-program/f/recommended-reads/115874/interactive-training-course-on-xg-firewall-v18-0
Sincerely,
Your Sophos Sophos Firewall Product Team
dear all
i have working with xg form the first day the lunch it and before that i was working with cyberoam
also i have experience with cisco and fortigate product but i relay got confused form how to handle with the New NAT method and how they created
for example i upgrade form v17.5 to 18 so i found the linked NAT rule but when i try to create new rule i can not use the old nat one and i have to create it again ??? why i can not use the linked one
i know that you try to be more similar to the other vendor in the market
Hello MarcKamel,
welcome to hel*!
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alda
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My intent is not to dismiss the feedback but to explain the current approach. It sounds that based on the feedback we have in this thread, moving the position of the boxes and not using a drop down (source top, followed by left right) (translated bottom, followed by left right) would solve a good portion of the UI angst in this thread.
Someone has locked out part of the forum functions, works on some threads and not others.
Sounds like a MOD has been fiddling.
Ian
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I do not know why you cannot post an image. However, please post them somewhere and provide us with a link to them. A picture, as they say, is worth a thousand words.
Hello Rob,
I sent you PM with the pictures as I mentioned. If you can post them here.
530 users client moving to cxxxxxxxxt.
This supplier in particular is the GOLDEN standard in user interface. No non-sens and instantaneous understanding. Their interface for both firewall rules and NAT rules is un-matched in the industry. They will show 3 times more information than anyone else an the same page, and yet, admin will catch and assimilate that much information instantaneously. Their log viewer is also unmatched and in real time.
If Sophos wants to understand what we mean by uncluttered and concise layout, they should have a look there.
Paul Jr
For anyone experiencing issue on uploading pictures, please PM and I will upload them. Regards
Thanks Rob.
The other issue with Nat is the linking feature. For my opinion you have 2 ways to proceed:
1. Remove the linked Nat at all and put a box where once the source/destination/services are filled, the Nat boxes says: “based on the current settings, Nat matched is xxx where masquerading ip/interface o whatever is yyyyy”. In case the firewall rule is dnat, same thing but Nat boxes gives extra information accordingly
2. Preserve the v17.5 layout by improving some fields
For both options, I strongly recommend you to preserve dnat and waf wizard as used in v17. They are very user-friendly. With some adjustments you can improve the dnat firewall rule and have people happy with a security made simple design.
Copy from old Microsoft ISA/TMG the “publish web services or ftp server” and take the listeners instead of destination network in the new dnat implementation. It is confusing.
Rob, you find more details in the suggested answer in this thread. I did not marked my answer as “this helped me” but some other users did it.
Feel free to reach me via pm or via email for improving Nat and firewall layouts. We are here to improve the product and to increase our sales. We are never offending but our feedbacks are always constructive!
Hi All,
My apologies for any inconveniences caused by the inability to upload pictures.
This may have been related to a permissions issue specifically for the Recommended Reads forum, and should now be corrected.
Please don't hesitate to PM me directly should anyone have any other issues related to Community forum functions.
Regards,
Flo thanks for your prompt reply. We need a feedback on Nat frustration. Sophos has collected feedback via forum and via email so someone here should reply with an update status.
For Logging, Reporting and Nat feature, we need more interaction from Sophos.
Remember: people are here for improving the product. If someone is offending, I will moderate them but until now I found people that are frustrated but they are collaborating with constructive feedbacks and not with feedback like: I do not like it at all or like this does not work. Constructive feedbacks shall include the reason and proposals to fix the issue.
I am sure you understand!
Best regards