Based on the discussion and queries we have observed on various threads, here is the things to know about new decoupled NAT and firewall changes in v18.
Update - This in-depth video has been produced to help explain the new NAT changes in SFOS v18: https://player.vimeo.com/video/376241042
1) What is changed related to NAT in XG firewall v18? What is Decoupled NAT? Why we changed?
with v18, XG firewall has moved towards more standardized NAT design in which network translation configuration is now decoupled from firewalling configuration for better manageability in the larger sized deployments.
Starting XG firewall v18, NAT is now a separate rule table that will be traversed from top to bottom prioritized rule set for network translation decisions. The configuration offers better flexibility, manageability with less number of NAT & firewall rules. With v18, XG Firewall’s enterprise NAT capability is now at par with other competitive players.
The new design offers ease of configuration and management for all NAT capabilities:
Based on what we have been hearing from our customers, v18 now removes confusing business application firewall rule type existing in v17.x and earlier. destination NAT capability of the biz apps rule has been folded into the same NAT rule. Single firewall rule type can now achieve WAF (as a part of action) and other security configurations.
For customers who don't want to manage a separate NAT rule table, XG firewall v18 offers a differentiating LinkedNAT functionality - refer LinkedNAT specific FAQs for details.
2) I am running v17.x; will there be any impact/ behavior change on my existing deployment (specific to NAT) if I upgrade to v18?
No. We have implemented the migration in such a way that it will automatically migrate v17.x NAT configuration (integrated into firewall rule) to v18 NAT configurations. You need not to take any manual steps.
When you migrate from v17.x to v18, you would see many LinkedNAT rules already created – many of them could be with similar source NAT translation, for example – many rules with MASQ as source translation. We cannot consolidate/ optimize the same automatically during migration as there could be deployments with firewall rules on v17.x without any NAT configured. You can decide to manually optimize the NAT table by creating single source translation NAT rule that takes care of translating source for multiple firewall rules, for example - single MASQ rule at the bottom of the NAT table. And you can delete multiple LinkedNAT rule created during migration.
3) After upgrading to v18, I see many LinkedNAT rule created on the NAT rule table. Is this normal? Can you not optimize this further in the migration?
We have implemented the migration in such a way that it will automatically migrate v17.x NAT configuration (integrated into firewall rule) to v18 NAT configurations. You need not to take any manual steps.
4) After upgrading to v18, I see a non-editable checkbox on migrated firewall rules that says "Do not apply this migrated rule to system-destined traffic". Why it is there?
This is to retain the rule matching behavior of v17.x even though we have removed Business application rule type.
In SFOS 17.x and earlier, although business application rules and user-network rules were listed in a single rule table, XG Firewall evaluated these rule types independently to find matching criteria. For system-destined traffic (example: accessing XG Firewall services) and incoming traffic (example: to internal servers) that matches a destination NAT business application rule, it ignored user-network rules and matched the traffic with business application rules.
From v18, XG Firewall has removed the distinction between business application and user-network rules. It now offers both as firewall rules. To ensure that the consolidation does not affect the rule-matching behavior of earlier versions, it will continue to ignore migrated user-network rules positioned above migrated business application rules for system-destined traffic and incoming traffic.
This is a read-only checkbox in the firewall rule that tells system to retain rule matching behavior of v17.x even after migrating onto v18.
5) I am creating a firewall rule for DNAT (destination translation) rule. Why should I configure Dst Zone match in firewall rule as (mostly) local zone (LAN/ DMZ). And, why should I configure Dst network match in firewall rule as original Dst IP (WAN IP on XG)?
When you create firewall rule for NAT rule in which destination is translated, you would match Dst zone as the ultimate zone in which the traffic would terminate (that is local zone – DMZ or LAN). However, you would (want to) match against the original destination IP (WAN IP on XG), here’s why:
6) What is LinkedNAT?
With v18, XG firewall has moved towards more standardized NAT design in which network translation configuration is now decoupled from firewalling configuration for better manageability in the larger sized deployments.
However, For customers who don't want to manage a separate NAT rule table, XG firewall v18 offers a differentiating LinkedNAT feature to grandfather existing customers over to the new design in the long run. The linkedNAT feature is fundamentally designed to provide inline source NAT rule creation from firewall rule. Matching criteria for the LinkedNAT rule is linked with the respective firewall rule, admin only needs to configure or edit the Src translation decision in the LinkedNAT rule.
This means LinkedNAT rule will only be applied to the traffic matching that specific firewall rule. However, if standard NAT rules are placed before the linkedNAT rule that match the traffic, the matching NAT rule would apply. That means, LinkedNAT does NOT guarantee that it will be matched for respective firewall rule traffic (if admin creates standard NAT rule before LinkedNAT). NAT rule table will always be matched from top to bottom priority order. There is no special or reserved priority in execution for LinkedNAT rule.
LinkedNAT rule is only possible for SNAT (source translation) configuration, not for Destination translation (DNAT).
7) Is it mandatory to use LinkedNAT? Where should I use LinkedNAT?
It is not mandatory to use LinkedNAT. With v18, XG firewall has moved towards more standardized NAT design in which network translation configuration is now decoupled from firewalling configuration for better manageability.
If you have a small scale deployment (small set of firewall rules) and you don't want to manage a separate NAT rule table, you can create LinkedNAT directly from the firewall rule and ONLY configure Src translation decision while matching criteria are automatically linked with the respective firewall rule.
If you have to differentiate SNAT configuration based on Users or Schedules criteria, LinkedNAT rule becomes mandatory there. However, such configuration need is very rare, we have NOT observed such configuration in practical deployments. Also, LinkedNAT rule is only possible for SNAT (source translation) configuration, not for Destination translation (DNAT).
8) What is the new disabled “Drop ALL” rule at the bottom of the firewall rule table?
The default drop rule provides visual indication to user / admin that if none of the firewall rule gets match, traffic will be dropped.
You reported about two specific challenges that admin faces in v17.x.
Currently, the logs that you see with firewall rule id ‘0’ are NOT for the traffic dropped by Drop ALL rule. In later EAP releases, we would replace them with “N/A” as those are for the traffic dropped before the firewall rule matches – for example – invalid traffic. And actual logs for traffic dropped by Drop ALL default behavior will be available in the release post v18. Meanwhile – as a workaround, one can add a drop rule at the bottom to log the dropped traffic not matched by any other firewall rule.
9) Do I have any demo/ training on how to configure various NAT in the new design?
To help you evaluate XG firewall v18 better in this early access program, here is the interactive training/ work through course - video along with the PDF handout and speaker notes. Here is the interactive course to work through XG Firewall v18.0:
Your Sophos XG Firewall Product Team
Thanks for the article. So more or less nat and firewall layouts will remain the same in v18 GA?
Let me try to put some experience I had during these days. The goal was migrating 27 DNAT rules from another Firewall to XG v18. Since it is a DR site and no disasters were "planned" for the testing time, I dediced to share with 5 guys the project of migrating the DNAT configuration from the current product to XG v18. I did not tell them how to create the DNAT. Since Sophos is "security made simple" I told them: lets migrate the rules you have on XXX to v18 but without using online help, documentation, only with your experience and Sophos XG v18 interface.
Then, I decided to show them v17 interface from a customer site. Apart some questions regarding NAT, the Wizard helped them to understand how to create the rule and they did it correctly on v17 environment (it was a test on a production installation, so the rule was disabled and deleted afterwards)
Back to v18, they tried again: still wrong. Then I showed them the Sophos v18 training course.pdf and they said "no way, really?" At the end, in the firewall rul:
On the NAT, what the guys have done:
This is the test I conducted with the help of 5 guys. Thanks to them. So my considerations are:
Names you used are just confusing. Listeners are much better that what you use at the moment. Decoupling NAT and Firewall rules is a nice feature and idea, but better names and wizard can reduce confusion and ticketing to Sophos.
The firewall rule works as the last nat catches the traffic. NAT icon should be coloured.
I will take a sceenshot of my reply. Just in case the reply is deleted.
That is elaborated beyond a professional level ... Clean. Straightforward.
I have to take off my hat before you, I wouldn't have so much patience to prepare such a test. However, I think the result of your test is indicative of the "quality" of implementing NAT rules in v18 EAP1. At the first moment (when I saw the DNAT rule after migration from v17.5 MR8) I did not believe what I saw. If you have practical experience in configuring firewall and NAT rules, then you are not able to understand it and the only result is a pleasing back pain from the endless shaking of your head ...
However, PMParth tries to tell us that in this way all comparable firewall manufacturers implement NAT rules.
I can assure him that, as the DNAT is implemented in v18 EAP1, it certainly does not implement it by comparable firewall manufacturers. Just look for "How to setup in Fort*gate DNAT rule" and what a surprise, the implementation of DNAT rules is exactly the same as in UTM v9. Yes, they use something called virtual IP address for this purpose, but again the function of this object is very logical at first sight. And then they use this object in a classic DNAT rule. Who is interested can check it here
I could also shake my head after reading the following sentence: "The configuration offers better flexibility, manageability with fewer NAT and firewall rules."I probably live in another space-time, because so many NAT rules I have never needed in v17.5 as I need now. While in v17.5 I needed a few DNAT rules and I solved most of the Internet traffic using several MASQ rules, now I count the NAT rules to tens! And I have replaced some linked rules with MASQ rules.
Why is Sophos still trying to convince me of something that's not true?!
I know even that product since 2005. Sophos UTM9 has some unique features and UI designed that no one on the market can compete...The Firewall creation wizard introducted on XG is a nice and well accepted feature and reflect the "security made simple" concept. As I wrote, remember we ISA Server 2000. Publishing OWA, FTP, HTTP/S was very simple and straight-forward. No one is using that old method to publish servers anymore (expect for XG v17 and XG v16). II even used the "Client Certificate authentication" mechanism...
Anyway, let's keep focused on XG and the thread clean. We are here to give feedbacks to Sophos. I had the time to spent 4 hours with a customer where I have strong relationship. This was a personal test to understand if I am too old for understand new technology or maybe something needs to be revisited from Sophos side.
Keep posting, Alda. If you can provide real feedback as I did, this will help to improve the product and community.
I'm with Alda here Luk. Hats off to you for 1. coming back and 2. taking the time to even do this.
I spent a little bit of time with v18 testing and just reverted as I was so thoroughly disappointed...I just had to shut it down. I feel like all this time waiting has been for nothing when we could have been moving to other solutions (we have been waiting since 2017 for this...really). How this Firewall/NAT UI even passed an internal UAT is beyond me. Reading the justifications now just seems like a lost cause.
At least with v15 they quickly realized that the icons in place of an actual name was silly and changed it. I just hope that Sophos comes to their senses and admits that this design just isn't "simple" and beyond intuitive and modifies it in time for a v18 GA.
axsom1 said:How this Firewall/NAT UI even passed an internal UAT is beyond me. Reading the justifications now just seems like a lost cause.
I am with you. If people like us or with years of experience in the field, would never accept a layout like this.
It is still a beta and I really hope that someone will reply with a :”thanks for your input, we will review the nat and firewall layouts before ga “
If it is not the case, we will take our decisions. V18 was promised as the revolution but here we are complaining about bases things like ABC. I do not want even mentioning reports and logging as we need to keep clean this topic. To Sophos: I am interested into participating into the SDLC, UAT and collaborate somehow with Sophos. Feel free to reach me via email or phone.
I agree with Luk. I think many interesting features are implemented in v18 EAP1, such as DPI engine, SSL / TLS rules, Kerberos, DKIM, etc. However, each administrator configures these features in a second sequence only after configuring basic security features such as firewall rules and NAT. And here you can (must) always get the most points. This is the daily work of the administrator. Here the administrator cannot fumble and think "what did the developer mean when he implemented it that way?" Then a very poor implementation of these basic security features will not save even the first post of this thread. If the implementation is very well done, no such post is needed at all. Everyone will subconsciously say "of course, otherwise than in this way it is not even configurable". I think you have largely succeeded in implementing the firewall rules in v17.5, but at least as far as the links between the firewall rule and the NAT rule are concerned.Please be inspired by what you have at home. Please overcome the pride in yourself that you know best how it should be implemented. Because simplicity is beauty. Astaro had the implementation of NAT rules so simply implemented that at first glance, everyone understood. Please take this implementation of NAT rules, change it to XG GUI, add interface matching criteria and you will be surprised by the result. Use the drop-down list in the NAT rule section of the firewall rule to create NAT rules as needed or select from existing NAT rules. I think there is no need to think of anything else, new and avangard.Certainly others will add their possibly different view of how the NAT rules should be reworked. But surely everyone agrees that implementing NAT rules is unusable. At least I did not record a single positive statement on the current implementation of NAT rules.
Yes, there is still a problem with logging and log management, but I am not so naive and I understand that it is still a long run. So hopefully we will see it in the version v18.5.
With CheckPoint firewalls, most NAT Rule are created automatically, if need be. Since the end of 1990s.
Sophos NAT is very similar with Mikrotik.
Clearly a NAT wizard is required for those who use XG's WEB only so often. Or some form of templates. But at the same time we also need to keep the actual "manual" type. Most confusion comes from the screen layout and naming convention.