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SEC - PUA exceptions not working?

We constantly have warnings about remcomsvc.exe.

We know the software so it's a bit of a false positive for us. So to save alerts, we placed exceptions under antivirus (C:\Windows\System32\RemComSvc.exe) and also authorized the PUA RemCom under Authorization.

We still keep getting email alerts from loads of our clients. It looks like the exceptions we put in don't work. Any ideas?

 

regards,

Louis



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  • Hi  

    I am also interested to know whether exclusions are not working on a few of the devices or it's not working on any of the devices. Please make sure that all the devices have been updated with the latest policy push from enterprise console.

    Regards,

    Jasmin
    Community Support Engineer | Sophos Support

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  •    

    Email Alerts below (on access & Weekly scan):

    User: OURDOMAIN\ouruser
    Scan: On-access
    Machine: PC696

    File "C:\Windows\System32\RemComSvc.exe" belongs to adware or PUA 'RemCom' (of type Other).


    User: NT AUTHORITY\SYSTEM
    Scan: Weekly Scan (WEDS 0100hrs)
    Machine: PC646

    File "C:\Windows\SysWOW64\RemComSvc.exe" belongs to adware or PUA 'RemCom' (of type Other).

    Adware or PUA 'RemCom' has been detected.

  • Hi  

    Please suggest on my previous question whether you are receiving alerts for a few systems or all the systems. 

    Regards,

    Jasmin
    Community Support Engineer | Sophos Support

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  • Hello Louis-M,

    first of all, you shouldn't use exclusions unless the integrity of the files is sufficiently safeguarded by some other means or the exclusion is absolutely necessary. Authorization is the proper way.

    I haven't seen that exclusions or authorizations aren't honoured (BTW: on-access and on-demand/scheduled scans have independent exclusions). The affected endpoints do comply with the AV&HIPS policy?

    Christian 

  • The exclusions were put in as an attempt to stop the alerts. I didn't think we needed them at the time but put them in to see if they made any difference. I've now taken them out.

    So all that we have is the authorisation enabled as shown.

    The pc's affected (and there are more) do comply with the policy set.

  • On a computer you are still getting an alert on, can you:

    1. Run;
    "C:\Program Files (x86)\Sophos\Sophos Anti-Virus\sav32cli.exe" -pua "C:\Windows\System32\RemComSvc.exe"

    for example.  Is it detected? Can you provide the output?

    2. Can you attach:
    "C:\ProgramData\Sophos\Sophos Anti-Virus\Config\machine.xml"
    from that computer.

    Regards,
    Jak

  • Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.15063]
    (c) 2017 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
    
    C:\Windows\system32>"C:\Program Files (x86)\Sophos\Sophos Anti-Virus\sav32cli.exe" -pua "C:\Windows\System32\RemComSvc.exe"
    Sophos Anti-Virus
    Version 1.01.1 [Win32/Intel]
    Virus data version 5.67, August 2019
    Includes detection for 40777751 viruses, trojans and worms
    Copyright (c) 1989-2019 Sophos Limited. All rights reserved.
    
    BY USING THIS TOOL YOU AGREE THAT YOU ARE FULLY BOUND BY, AND SUBJECT TO, ALL
    OF THE OBLIGATIONS CONTAINED IN THE SOPHOS END USER LICENCE AGREEMENT ("EULA")
    AND THE ONLY RIGHTS AND/OR REMEDIES AVAILABLE TO YOU (WITH RESPECT TO YOUR USE
    OF THIS TOOL) ARE THOSE RIGHTS AND REMEDIES THAT ARE STATED IN THE EULA
    (a copy of which is reproduced at : http://www.sophos.com/legal/eula.html).
    
    System time 08:46:16, System date 18 September 2019
    Command line qualifiers are: -pua
    
    IDE directory is: C:\Program Files (x86)\Sophos\Sophos Anti-Virus
    
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    Quick Scanning
    
    >>> PUA 'RemCom' (of type Other) found in file C:\Windows\System32\RemComSvc.exe
    
    Memory was swept.
    Registry was swept.
    1 file swept in 54 seconds.
    No viruses were discovered.
    1 PUA was discovered.
    Ending Sophos Anti-Virus.
    
    C:\Windows\system32>
     
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    					<role name="SophosUser"><name>SophosUser</name></role>
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    				<policies/>
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    		<logging>
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    				<settings/>
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    								<recipients><item>itsupport@OURDOMAIN.ORG.UK</item></recipients>
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    					<item itemName="SNMPMessaging">
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    		<consumerFactory>
    			<item itemName="SNMPMessaging">
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    		<ICManagement><ICfixedExclusions/>
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    					<suspicious><enabled>true</enabled><allowActions>false</allowActions></suspicious>
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    			<enabled>true</enabled><sxlServerList>000102030405060708</sxlServerList></swiManagement>
    		<bhoManagement><reputationEnabled>false</reputationEnabled><reputationEnabledForOnDemandScans>true</reputationEnabledForOnDemandScans><reputationMode>0</reputationMode><reputationAction>0</reputationAction></bhoManagement>
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    				<settings><server>
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    						<name>10.1.28.8</name></server>
    					<sender>sav@end.point</sender>
    					<replyTo></replyTo>
    					<from/>
    					<locale>1033</locale></settings>
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    				<settings><managerAddress></managerAddress><communityString></communityString><cleanCtrlChars>false</cleanCtrlChars></settings>
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    			<eeConsumer>
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    					<blackList/>
    					<whiteList/>
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    	<quarantineManager>
    		<actions>
    			<user/>
    			<powerUser/>
    			<administrator/>
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    		<authorisedFileList policy="0" xml:space="preserve"/>
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    	<!--
            Authorisation list manager
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    	<authorisationListManager><authorisedAppCList policy="0"/>
    		<blockedAppCList policy="0"><item>iTunes</item><item>Winamp</item></blockedAppCList>
    		<blockedAppCCategoryList policy="0"/>
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    	<!--
            Concrete on-demand scan configurations
        -->
    	<scanJobs>
    		<!--
            Default scan - scan this computer
            -->
    		<!--
            Cleanup  scan - scan  computer with automatic cleanup for malware
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    			<displayInfo>
    				<description policy="0">
    					<object ind="0">
    						<item type="marker" ind="0">ResStr</item>
    						<item type="unsigned" ind="1">109</item>
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    				</description>
    			</displayInfo>
    			<configuration>
    				<template>OnDemandScanTemplate</template>
    				<notification>
    					<consumers>
    						<item itemName="FileLog">
    							<settings>
    								<rotation/>
    								<filtering/>
    								<filename policy="0" dir="LOCAL_APPDATA">Sophos\Sophos Anti-Virus\logs\Cleanup scan.txt</filename>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="SmtpConsumer">
    							<settings>
    								<filtering/>
    								<messageFields>
    									<recipients/>
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    							</settings>
    						</item>
    					</consumers>
    				</notification>
    				<scanManager/>
    				<instanceManager/>
    				<TDE>
    					<processors>
    						<item itemName="SOCDecomposer">
    							<settings/>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="RawFSDecomposer">
    							<settings/>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="DriveDecomposer">
    							<settings/>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="FileAttributeFilter">
    							<settings>
    								<attributeList/>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="ExtensionFilter">
    							<settings>
    								<extensionList/>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="ExclusionFilterProcessor">
    							<settings>
    								<exclusionList/>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="FSDecomposerProcessor">
    							<settings></settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="ScanPreprocessor">
    							<!-- consider disabling cache processing for the cleanup scan -->
    							<settings></settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="VEAdapter">
    							<settings>
    								<general>
    									<disinfect>true</disinfect>
    									<puaRemoval>false</puaRemoval>
    									<mcmRemoval>true</mcmRemoval>
    									<scanVdlArchives>false</scanVdlArchives>
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    								<stopScan/>
    								<saviOptions>
    									<item itemName="PuaDetection">
    										<name>PuaDetection</name>
    										<value>1</value>
    									</item>
    									<item itemName="DetectSecondaries">
    										<name>DetectSecondaries</name>
    										<value>1</value>
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    									<!-- Currently, the ThreatAccumulation option must be enabled in order
                                                to detect secondary PUA components
                                        -->
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    										<name>ThreatAccumulation</name>
    										<value>1</value>
    									</item>
    									<item itemName="ApplicationControl">
    										<name>ApplicationControl</name>
    										<value>0</value>
    									</item>
    								</saviOptions>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="FileOpProcessor">
    							<settings>
    								<move/>
    								<delete/>
    								<suspiciousFiles>
    									<move/>
    									<delete/>
    								</suspiciousFiles>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="ScanPostprocessor">
    							<settings></settings>
    						</item>
    					</processors>
    				</TDE>
    			</configuration>
    			<areas>
    				<object ind="0">
    					<item type="marker" ind="0">SOCollection</item>
    					<item type="unsigned" ind="1">5</item>
    					<object ind="2">
    						<item type="marker" ind="0">SKernel</item>
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    						<item type="marker" ind="0">SRegistry</item>
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    						<item type="marker" ind="0">SRawFS</item>
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    						<item type="marker" ind="0">SDrive</item>
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    						<item type="string" ind="2"/>
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    			<configuration><template>OnDemandScanTemplate</template>
    				<notification>
    					<consumers>
    						<item itemName="FileLog">
    							<settings>
    								<rotation/>
    								<filtering/>
    								<filename dir="COMMON_APPDATA">\Sophos\Sophos Anti-Virus\logs\Weekly Scan (WEDS 0100hrs).txt</filename></settings>
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    						<item itemName="SmtpConsumer">
    							<settings>
    								<filtering/>
    								<messageFields>
    									<recipients/>
    								</messageFields>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    					</consumers>
    				</notification>
    				<scanManager/>
    				<instanceManager/>
    				<TDE>
    					<processors>
    						<item itemName="SOCDecomposer">
    							<settings/>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="RawFSDecomposer">
    							<settings/>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="DriveDecomposer">
    							<settings/>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="FileAttributeFilter">
    							<settings>
    								<attributeList/>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="ExtensionFilter">
    							<settings>
    								<extensionList/>
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    						<item itemName="ExclusionFilterProcessor">
    							<settings>
    								<exclusionList/>
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    						<item itemName="FSDecomposerProcessor">
    							<settings></settings>
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    						<item itemName="ScanPreprocessor">
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    						<item itemName="VEAdapter">
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    								<general><disinfect>true</disinfect><puaRemoval>false</puaRemoval><mcmRemoval>true</mcmRemoval><scanVdlArchives>false</scanVdlArchives></general>
    								<stopScan/>
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    						<item itemName="FileOpProcessor">
    							<settings>
    								<suspiciousFiles><delete>false</delete><move>false</move></suspiciousFiles>
    								<delete>false</delete><move>false</move></settings>
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    						<item itemName="ScanPostprocessor">
    							<settings></settings>
    						</item>
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    				<scanSettings><minimiseScanImpact>true</minimiseScanImpact></scanSettings></configuration>
    			<areas>
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    		<scan id="{F86EBCD5-687E-40B1-800D-021062361F6C}" ScanType="SystemScan">
    			<displayInfo>
    				<description policy="0">
    					<object ind="0">
    						<item type="marker" ind="0">ResStr</item>
    						<item type="unsigned" ind="1">104</item>
    					</object>
    				</description>
    			</displayInfo>
    			<configuration><template>OnDemandScanTemplate</template>
    				<notification>
    					<consumers>
    						<item itemName="FileLog">
    							<settings>
    								<rotation/>
    								<filtering/>
    								<filename policy="0" dir="LOCAL_APPDATA">Sophos\Sophos Anti-Virus\logs\Scan my computer.txt</filename>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="SmtpConsumer">
    							<settings>
    								<filtering/>
    								<messageFields>
    									<recipients/>
    								</messageFields>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    					</consumers>
    				</notification>
    				<scanManager/>
    				<instanceManager/>
    				<TDE>
    					<processors>
    						<item itemName="SOCDecomposer">
    							<settings/>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="RawFSDecomposer">
    							<settings/>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="DriveDecomposer">
    							<settings/>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="FileAttributeFilter">
    							<settings>
    								<attributeList/>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="ExtensionFilter">
    							<settings>
    								<extensionList/>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="ExclusionFilterProcessor">
    							<settings>
    								<exclusionList/>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="FSDecomposerProcessor">
    							<settings></settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="ScanPreprocessor">
    							<settings></settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="VEAdapter">
    							<settings>
    								<general>
    									<disinfect>false</disinfect>
    									<mcmRemoval>false</mcmRemoval>
    								</general>
    								<stopScan/>
    								<saviOptions>
    									<item itemName="PuaDetection">
    										<name>PuaDetection</name>
    										<value>1</value>
    									</item>
    									<item itemName="DetectSecondaries">
    										<name>DetectSecondaries</name>
    										<value>1</value>
    									</item>
    									<!-- Currently, the ThreatAccumulation option must be enabled in order
                                                to detect secondary PUA components
                                        -->
    									<item itemName="ThreatAccumulation">
    										<name>ThreatAccumulation</name>
    										<value>1</value>
    									</item>
    									<item itemName="ApplicationControl"><name>ApplicationControl</name><value>0</value></item></saviOptions>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="FileOpProcessor">
    							<settings>
    								<move/>
    								<delete/>
    								<suspiciousFiles>
    									<move/>
    									<delete/>
    								</suspiciousFiles>
    							</settings>
    						</item>
    						<item itemName="ScanPostprocessor">
    							<settings></settings>
    						</item>
    					</processors>
    				</TDE>
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    			<areas>
    				<object ind="0">
    					<item type="marker" ind="0">SOCollection</item>
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    					<object ind="2">
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    					</object>
    					<object ind="3">
    						<item type="marker" ind="0">SMemory</item>
    						<item type="string" ind="1">Memory</item>
    					</object>
    					<object ind="4">
    						<item type="marker" ind="0">SRegistry</item>
    						<item type="signed" ind="1">1</item>
    					</object>
    					<object ind="5">
    						<item type="marker" ind="0">SRawFS</item>
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    					</object>
    					<object ind="6">
    						<item type="marker" ind="0">SDrive</item>
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    						<item type="string" ind="2"/>
    						<!-- types : fixed_mbr, fixed_pbr & fixed -->
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    					</object>
    				</object>
    			</areas>
    		</scan>
    	</scanJobs>
    	<!--
            Scan summaries
        -->
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    			<lastTimeRun year="2019" month="9" day="13" hour="7" minute="58" second="1"/>
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    			<lastRunBy>S-1-5-21-1322713655-443559718-903097961-2994</lastRunBy>
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    			<errors>0</errors>
    			<itemsChecked>1</itemsChecked>
    			<logFilename>C:\Users\Louis\AppData\Local\Sophos\Sophos Anti-Virus\logs\Scan my computer.txt</logFilename>
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            Scan templates
        -->
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    				<consumers>
    					<item itemName="DesktopConsumer">
    						<settings>
    							<filtering><item itemName="Virus">90</item><item itemName="Pua">90</item><item itemName="SuspiciousFile">90</item><item itemName="SuspiciousBehaviour">101</item><item itemName="Scanning">101</item><item itemName="OnAccess">101</item><item itemName="Update">101</item><item itemName="Configuration">101</item><item itemName="Other">101</item><item itemName="Debug">101</item></filtering>
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    			<TDE>
    				<processors>
    					<item itemName="VEAdapter">
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    							<general/>
    							<stopScan/>
    							<saviOptions/>
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    					<item itemName="WebScanningOperations">
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    							<mimeTypeList/>
    							<mode>asOnAccess</mode></settings>
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    				<consumers>
    					<item itemName="DesktopConsumer">
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    					<item itemName="SmtpConsumer">
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    			<TDE>
    				<processors>
    					<item itemName="DriverOperations">
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    					<item itemName="UserExclusions">
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    							<exclusionList/>
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    					<item itemName="ScanPreprocessor">
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    					<item itemName="VEAdapter">
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    					<item itemName="ScanPostprocessor">
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    				<consumers>
    					<item itemName="FileLog">
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    							<filtering/>
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    					<item itemName="SmtpConsumer">
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    					<item itemName="RawFSDecomposer">
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    					<item itemName="DriveDecomposer">
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    					<item itemName="FileAttributeFilter">
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    					<item itemName="ExtensionFilter">
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    					<item itemName="FSDecomposerProcessor">
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    					<item itemName="ScanPreprocessor">
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    					<item itemName="VEAdapter">
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    							<general/>
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    					<item itemName="FileOpProcessor">
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    							<suspiciousFiles/>
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    					<item itemName="ScanPostprocessor">
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    			<notification>
    				<consumers>
    					<item itemName="FileLog">
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    							<rotation/>
    							<filtering/>
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    					</item>
    					<item itemName="SmtpConsumer">
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    							<messageFields>
    								<recipients><item>itsupport@OURDOMAIN.ORG.UK</item></recipients>
    							</messageFields>
    						</settings>
    					</item>
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    			</notification>
    			<TDE>
    				<processors>
    					<item itemName="SOCDecomposer">
    						<settings/>
    					</item>
    					<item itemName="RawFSDecomposer">
    						<settings/>
    					</item>
    					<item itemName="DriveDecomposer">
    						<settings/>
    					</item>
    					<item itemName="FileAttributeFilter">
    						<settings>
    							<attributeList/>
    						</settings>
    					</item>
    					<item itemName="ExtensionFilter">
    						<settings>
    							<extensionList/>
    							<extensionNone>true</extensionNone></settings>
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    					<item itemName="ExclusionFilterProcessor">
    						<settings>
    							<exclusionList/>
    						</settings>
    					</item>
    					<item itemName="FSDecomposerProcessor">
    						<settings/>
    					</item>
    					<item itemName="ScanPreprocessor">
    						<settings></settings>
    					</item>
    					<item itemName="VEAdapter">
    						<settings>
    							<general/>
    							<stopScan/>
    							<saviOptions/>
    						</settings>
    					</item>
    					<item itemName="FileOpProcessor">
    						<settings>
    							<suspiciousFiles/>
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    					</item>
    					<item itemName="ScanPostprocessor">
    						<settings></settings>
    					</item>
    				</processors>
    			</TDE>
    		</rightClickScan>
    		<sipsMessaging><notification>
    				<consumers>
    					<item itemName="DesktopConsumer">
    						<settings>
    							<filtering><item itemName="Virus">90</item><item itemName="Pua">101</item><item itemName="SuspiciousFile">90</item><item itemName="SuspiciousBehaviour">90</item><item itemName="Scanning">101</item><item itemName="OnAccess">101</item><item itemName="Update">101</item><item itemName="Configuration">101</item><item itemName="Other">101</item><item itemName="Debug">101</item></filtering>
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    					<item itemName="SmtpConsumer">
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    							<filtering><item itemName="Virus">90</item><item itemName="Pua">101</item><item itemName="SuspiciousFile">90</item><item itemName="SuspiciousBehaviour">90</item><item itemName="Scanning">101</item><item itemName="OnAccess">101</item><item itemName="Update">101</item><item itemName="Configuration">101</item><item itemName="Other">101</item><item itemName="Debug">101</item></filtering>
    							<messageFields>
    								<recipients><item>itsupport@OURDOMAIN.ORG.UK</item></recipients>
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    					</item>
    				</consumers>
    			</notification>
    		</sipsMessaging>
    		<swiMessaging><notification>
    				<consumers>
    					<item itemName="DesktopConsumer">
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    							<filtering><item itemName="Virus">90</item><item itemName="Pua">90</item><item itemName="SuspiciousFile">90</item><item itemName="SuspiciousBehaviour">101</item><item itemName="Scanning">101</item><item itemName="OnAccess">101</item><item itemName="Update">101</item><item itemName="Configuration">101</item><item itemName="Other">101</item><item itemName="Debug">101</item></filtering>
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    					<item itemName="DesktopConsumer">
    						<settings>
    							<filtering><item itemName="DataControl">90</item></filtering>
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    					<item itemName="FileLog">
    						<settings>
    							<filtering/>
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    					<item itemName="SmtpConsumer">
    						<settings>
    							<filtering><item itemName="DataControl">101</item></filtering>
    							<messageFields>
    								<recipients/>
    							</messageFields>
    						</settings>
    					</item>
    				</consumers>
    			</notification>
    		</dataControl>
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    				<consumers>
    					<item itemName="DesktopConsumer">
    						<settings>
    							<filtering><item itemName="DeviceControl">101</item></filtering>
    						</settings>
    					</item>
    					<item itemName="FileLog">
    						<settings>
    							<filtering/>
    						</settings>
    					</item>
    					<item itemName="SmtpConsumer">
    						<settings>
    							<filtering><item itemName="DeviceControl">101</item></filtering>
    							<messageFields>
    								<recipients><item>Louis@OURDOMAIN.ORG.UK</item></recipients>
    							</messageFields>
    						</settings>
    					</item>
    				</consumers>
    			</notification>
    		</deviceControl>
    		<tamperProtection>
    			<notification>
    				<consumers>
    					<item itemName="FileLog">
    						<settings>
    							<filtering/>
    						</settings>
    					</item>
    				</consumers>
    			</notification>
    		</tamperProtection>
    	</scanTemplates>
    	<UserDefinedMessage><messageText>Abnormal activity has been detected on this computer.
    Please contact IT Support on 01604 797040.</messageText><messageTextAppC></messageTextAppC></UserDefinedMessage>
    	<disabledDeviceListManager>
    		<disabledDevices/><alertOnlyDevices/>
    	</disabledDeviceListManager>
    	<deviceControlManager>
    		<wirelessConnections/>
    		<storageDevices/>
    		<mediaDevices/>
    		<whiteList/>
    		<compositeDeviceParentList/>
    	</deviceControlManager>
    </configuration>
    

  • Hello Louis-M,

    as far as I can tell the machine.xml looks like it should.
    If, as I assume, this is from a computer that reported the detection I have no idea what could be the cause, especially as apparently the exclusion is in place. Exclusions and authorizations have no interrelation and are handled in quite different parts of the scanning workflow.

    As you have Scan for Adware and PUAs enabled - could you perhaps test with a "known reputable" PUA like psexec.exe?

    Christian 

  • From my testing with PsExec, sav32cli will still detect the PUA even if it has been excluded.  Scheduled scans will also detect Authorized PUAs in the local scan log but not report it back to SEC.  I'm able to open up PsExec without a detection however.

    I'd agree with Christian and say it's worth testing with a known reputable PUA such as PsExec.  It may also be worth checking if a toast notification detection comes up if you double click to open "C:\Windows\System32\RemComSvc.exe".

    You mentioned email alerts, do you also see these detections on Sophos Enterprise Console as an Adware or PUA detected alert? Since these emails are sent from the endpoint I'm wondering if something is being skipped here.

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  • From my testing with PsExec, sav32cli will still detect the PUA even if it has been excluded.  Scheduled scans will also detect Authorized PUAs in the local scan log but not report it back to SEC.  I'm able to open up PsExec without a detection however.

    I'd agree with Christian and say it's worth testing with a known reputable PUA such as PsExec.  It may also be worth checking if a toast notification detection comes up if you double click to open "C:\Windows\System32\RemComSvc.exe".

    You mentioned email alerts, do you also see these detections on Sophos Enterprise Console as an Adware or PUA detected alert? Since these emails are sent from the endpoint I'm wondering if something is being skipped here.

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  • Hello MEric and Louis,

    sav32cli will still detect the PUA even if it has been excluded
    this is the expected behaviour. sav32cli.exe is stand-alone (once there was a self-contained version available), while it uses SAVXP's engine and detection data (libraries and IDEs) it doesn't take heed of SAVXP's settings, rely on the On-Access driver or SAVService.exe

    Scheduled scans will also detect Authorized PUAs
    Correct. You get a message like File "C:\Program Files\PSTools\PsExec.exe" belongs to authorized adware or PUA 'PsExec' but you shouldn't get an alert or email. I suggested to test whether the behaviour with psexec.exe is the same (i.e. exclusion and authorization have seemingly no effect) or as intended.

    Christian

  • After taking the av/hips scanning exceptions out (left authorization for RemCom in), things seemed to have calmed down. I'll monitor it until next wednesday (weekly scan on weds 0300hrs) and report back.